18 June, 2009

PZ slates Sye TenB's website (or Insane Presuppicon Goes Down In Flames)

Over at Pharyngula, PZ Myers has given his opinion of Sye TenB's silly little website. In case you haven't heard of this guy, he's a presuppositionalist with a rather high opinion of himself.

PZ's verdict is that it is......

*drumroll*

.......a silly little website.

It's a dreary exercise in the fallacy of the excluded middle. You are lead through a series of binary choices, in which you are asked to choose one alternative or the other, with the goal of shunting you to the desired conclusion, which is, of course, that God exists. Building on a fallacy is bad enough, but even worse, it can't even do that competently — it cheats. All of the options are designed to bounce you to only one line of reasoning, and if you don't play the designer's game, it gets all pissy at you and announces that you aren't serious and you should go away. Some proof, eh?

Over 200 comments and no sign of Sye yet. Hopefully when he checks his Google alerts for his own name he will show up there and defend himself. I would dearly love to see him try his circular nonsense on the vultures at Pharyngula.

BigMKnows, one of the commenters there, has posted his own refutation of the site which is also worth a read

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Update:

Upon waiting one hour and eleven minutes for a response Sye said:

Mob eh? Crickets here, crickets there. I have better things to do than wait around for your responses.

Cheers,

Sye

June 27, 2009 2:09 AM

Well, after evading questions for over 200 comments, there has been no response from Sye for 48 hours. Using his own time-scale, I guess that means he's packed up and moved on...

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freddies_dead said...

It's no surprise Sye cannot see your argument rhiggs - his worldview is inherently subjective yet he insists on arguing that it is not.

rhiggs said...

F_D said: "It's no surprise Sye cannot see your argument rhiggs - his worldview is inherently subjective yet he insists on arguing that it is not."

Yep. You've hit the nail on the head there...

As I said over at Ryk's blog, even if morality and logic did have divine origins, it would still be arbitrary. Those who claim goodness is a reflection of God's character are simply defining what is 'good' based on the arbitrary character of their God. A different God could have a different character, thus resulting in a different definition of 'goodness'. So the problem for the divine moralist comes back to proving that their particular God is the only one, which of course they cannot do. They are moral relativists too, they just don't know it...

freddies_dead said...

they know it, they just suppress the truth ;-)

Jill D said...

Well, one thing is certain Jill, you deny atheism. THAT is where many of these arguments go once people realize that they cannot account for logic outside of God.

I disagree. Superbot is a awesome robot not a deity.

Vagon said...

Good thing I'm patient.

*Twiddles thumbs*

Vagon said...

I disagree. Superbot is a awesome robot not a deity.

Any sufficiently advanced technology Jill.

Jill D said...

Well, now that I've given the account, Sye can answer the questions.

Jill D said...

-crickets sound-

Vagon said...

-Crow caws in the background-

rhiggs said...

-tumbleweed rolls by-

Ryk said...

Once people have stopped waiting and moved on, he will come back post a monologue, do a little victory dance and ask why we aren't responding to him.

Flute said...

Flute's rule:
Last person to post in a presupp thread wins.
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I just finished reading this:
http://idiotphilosophy.blogspot.com/search/label/Sye%20TenB

Now I gotta read this thread to see if Sye ever answers the questions I know already he'll dodge...

Sye TenB said...
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rhiggs said...

YAY!!!

Now why didn't you just answer them the first time I asked ;)

Oh and to answer your original question...

"Be happy to answer your questions, but first I need to know if you believe in absolute laws of logic by which you will evaluate my answers."

I don't know for sure but I am leaning on the side of no. This, of course, doesn't mean that the laws of logic are useless, just that they may not always hold in every possible situation.

I will respond to your answers on the more recent thread.

AlmightyZi said...

Hi Sye,

I believe in God and the revelations in the bible. I have a world view that logic comes from God. Can you answer the 18 questions FOR ME seeing as I meet the criteria to logically understand your responses?

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